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PRP 4 Automation. Ghent. Belgium 1980
Session 15
BENEFITS FROM MUL TIV ARIABLE CONTROL IN THE PRP-INDUSTRY Chaz'rman:
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Multivariable control theory was developed since about 30 years. But it takes a long time to be able to define robust control structures and also to implement such control1ers. Both constraints were solved since 10 years until today. We can define robust multivariable decoupled control structures and we can use computers or microcomputers for realizati on.
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Multi varia ble control ~ives important benefits and is a necessity to solve specific problems (for instance decoupling or quasidecouplinq, stability, high level performances .. . ). Some unso l ved problems have to be taken into account and we can estimate to have so luti ons (for instance for failures). The chairman can observe that such a division is classical in the history of control theory and its applications: use of di gital computers 10 - 15 yea~ ago, use of state variables, use of optimization techniques.
Having now some experience, we can ask if it is interesting or not to use multivariable control instead of single variable loops. The question is not trivial because we can observe that very often sing le varia ble control is used and proposed by computer and controller manufacturers.
CONTRIBUTION by R.M.C. DE KEYSER (Automat i c Control Laboratory, University of Ghent, Belg ium )
So the chairman asked to 7 authors of papers in the PRP Congress concerned with control applications to give their opinion on that problem.
Abstract The benef its and the realization possibilities of multivariable control in industrial practice are considered. It is stressed that a pure multivariable control approach of coupled MIMO processes i s theoretically attractive but lead s to control strategies that are far more complex than a co~bination of single loop controllers.
These authors were successively: R. DE KEYSER, Ghent University, Belgium S. HEM, Reed International Co nsultants Ltd., UK S. SUH, St. Regis Paper Co., USA B. LEBEAU, Centre Technique du Papier, France Th. OLSEN, Sintef, Norway T. TAKN1ATSU, Kyoto University, Japan P. URONEN, Oulu University, Finland
Some aspects of the contro l of coupled MIMO Processes
After these presentations a discussion during 20 minutes took place, based on 4 questions and for each several answers. We can summarize the discussion dividing participants into two main groups: - multivariable control techniques are o~ too high level abstraction to be acceptable in industry; there are also problems linked to their applications: reliability, identification, failures of a part of instrumentation consequently this group prefer to use single variable techniques.
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We will bring out these as~ects usins a specific example of a coupled np~o system in the PRP environment: the control of a pressurized paper head box. In its most genera l configuration the paper head bo x can be considered as a system with three inputs (air valve, pump speed, thick stock valve) and three outputs (total head at the slice, liquid level, consistency) . The thick stock valve-consistency subsystem is not always present but it might be of great use in a slave control loop of the basis weight controller on machines with variable speed (Lebeau et al., 1980). Most of the inputs and outputs of the above system are cross-coupled. This cross-coupling has
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two drawbacks as far as control performance is concerned: - the stability problem of the global system is by far more complex to analyse than that of three non-interacting single loops even if the coupled MIMO process is controlled by three single loop controllers. However this difficulty should not be overestimated in control applications: most coupled MIMO processes are until now controlled by single loop (PI) controllers with reasonable although suboptimal control performance. It might however be suspected (and it was experienced during simulation studies) that the use of more powerful control strategies (e.g. time optimal strategies, model following strategies, minimum variance strategies) will also emphasize the stability problem. - the interaction may lead to a degradation of control performance especially on machines with speed or grade changes. Speed variation e.g. requires an adaptation of the total head pressure at the slice. This can be done by controlling the pump speed but as a by-effect the consistency varies leading to a disturbance in the basis weight. When the basis weight falls outside the specification range this means a production loss. However to evaluate the economical loss we should further investigate the characteristics of the disturbance. The amount of production loss is dependent on * the magnitude of the disturbance the duration of the disturbance.
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The magnitude of the disturbance can be influenced by the control structure: multivariable or pseudo-mu!tlvariable control. The amplitude of the disturbance can even be brought back to zero when using decoupling control. However due to some drawbacks pure dynamic decoupling does not seem to be a robust method for practical control. Strategies based on multivariable control theory are powerful but rather complex. Every output and every input of the MH10 process is used in a coupled MIMO regulator even if some subsystems of the physical process are noninteracting (e.g. air valve and consistency) or even if some process outputs are less important (e.g. liquid level). The p~eldo multivariable strategy is more flexlb e : it is a logical extension of the single loop structure for which the coupling in the process might be compensated by what is called "feedforward from the other input/output signals" (De Keyserj 1980) (see figure 1 for a two-input/two-output system). However one is free to restrict the procedure of feedforward compensation to the most important variables only, leading to a much simpler control system. The term "feedforward" is somewhat misleading because it is feedforward action from an internal disturbance (internal in the MIMO system) rather than from an external disturbance for which feedforward is a well-known technique. This observation has some importance concerning the stability
of the control system. The duration of the disturbance can be reduced to a large amount by the control stra~ : time-optimal control. When working with single-loop controllers on a coupled MIMO process it is worthwhile using timeoptimal controllers instead of PI controllers as is demonstrated in figure 2 (D'Hulster . De Keyser, Van Cauwenberghej 1980)
Strategies for the control of coupled MIMO processes The ideas introduced above are summarized in table I together with some further characteristics. Dependent on the importance of each physical process output and its effect on paper quality and economical profits one has to choose for non-interaction or for interaction with limited amplitude anr/or limited duration disturrances. Complexity of the control system is the price one has to pay when evolving from single-loop control over feedforward compensation to multivariable control strategies.
Conclusion When all process inputs and outputs are strong ly coupled and all process variables are of equal importance in the control philosophy, multivariable control seems to be a very interesting and quite general design technique. Purely multivariable control strategies are however not the only candidates for contro 11 i ng coupled rlI~10 processes in practice. Sometimes a priori knowledge about the process to be controlled can be used to separate less important output signals or even subsystems to obtain a less complex control system. Feedforward compensation techniques can be used to obtain such a more flexible control structure. Even when restricting the control system to a set of single-loop controllers, disturbances due to interaction in the MIMO process can be effectively rejected by using more powerful, e.g. time-optimal, strategies. It should be emphasized that time-optimal as well as decoupling or compensating techniques require the availability of a ~ood process model. It is interesting to incorporate them in a self-tuning or addptive control environment.
References DE KEYSER, R. (1980). Design and evaluation of self-tuning controllers. PhD. thesis, Automatic Control Laboratory, State
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CON TRIBUTION by Dr . S. HEM (Reed International Co nsultants Ltd, Ay lesford, Maidstone, Kent, UK) I shall forego the practice of pointing out the great importance of the subject of this round-table discussion in general terms. Instead I will describe briefly some of the mult ivari able control systems developed at RIC for use in Reed Mills as well as outs ide companies. Numerous multiple input and output control systems are designed on a single-loop basis and often the result is quite satisfactory. However, we have experienced considerable difficulty, on occasions, in obtaining a reasonably responding system using the single loop approach. It was only after proper consideration of the interactive nature of the system that a good result was achieved. The most obvious example of a multivariab le control system in the paper industry is of course the interactive control of basis weight and moisture. This type of contro l is now so common on paper machines that very little that i s new can be said about it. Neverthe l ess, we have been able to improve th i s control system's performance by the development of special multirate samp leddata control algorithms that allow greater stability at higher overall loop gains. The method has been extended to the general mu l tivariable situation employing the stochastic Linear- Quadratic-Gaussian (LQG) procedure and also allows for the use of the Kalman filter for estimation of inaccessible state variahles. It should be noted, however, that multivariable control systems which have been designed using the LQG procedure can become unstable for a failure in one of the instruments. Special precautions must therefore by employed to guard against this sit uation.
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Another multivariable contro l system employed on some of our paper machines operates on cross machine direction profile data of certain paper properties. The control system produces a number of control actions within given constraints in a high l y interactive system and performs an on-line iterative process of constrained optimization. In particu lar, systems for moisture profile control using plain presses, swimming rolls and Nipco rolls have been successfu ll y implemented. The application of moisture profile control and profile management in general represent an economic and operational benefit at least as large as the one achieved with the machine direction control system. It is interesting to note the resurgence of interest in the design of headbox control systems . This problem is particularly interesting for me since I made a theoretical study of the dynamic behaviour of a headbox nearly 20 years ago. ~u ltivariable co~trol theory has now developed to the pOlnt that the interaction problems can be understood and in turn makes it possible to design highly sophisticated and worth while control systems for this unit process of the paper machine. Multivariable control systems have been designed using a variety of approaches, the LQG problems has been mentioned, inverse Nyquist array, characteristic loci techniques or pole assignment are other very successful methods, all with their own particular merits, too numerous to go into here . Finally, I would like to say that although we are moving towards systematic procedures and techniques for modelling and computer-aided controller design there will always be a need for the subjective element of creative engineering and know-how required for understand ing the real-world aspect of the systems that must be controlled .
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CONTRIBUTION by S. SUH (St. Regis Paper Co., West Nyack , USA)
As you may know, the paper industry is no stranger to the subject of mu1tivariab1e control and has been exposed to this since early in 1960. The papermaking process is a prime example of a process with multiple interacting variables as shown in Figure 1. In addition to papermachine control, we at St. Regis have had considerable experience with mu1tivariab1e control in other process areas such as Kamyr digester and utility plant, see Figures 2 and 3. We also recognize that there are other areas within a Kraft mill that could be easily considered for mu1ti100p control. Table 1 shows such a list.
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MULTIVARIABLE CONTROL OF KAMYR DIGESTERS have so far limited my opening remarks to the potential areas of application. Let me now move on to the benefit side of mu1tivariable control which is the theme of this TEMPERATURE COOKING round-table session. The benefits we have KAPPA CHEMICALS PROCESS enjoyed at St . ~egis through mu1tivariable TU1E control are substantial and readily acknowledged by the management . They include improved quality, fuel efficiency and production rate, and reduced raw material usage. However, this was attained at the added expense of manpower and capital equipment. For this MULTIVARIABLE OPTIMIZATION CONTROL OF reason, one should conduct an economic analysis of "cost vs . benefit" before committing STEAM AND ELECTRICITY GENERATION oneself to mu1tivariab1e control. It should also be mentioned here that it is sometimes possible to reduce a mu1ti100p problem to PROCESS STEA~ a single-input/ output problem and still reap FUEL HIGH ELECTRICITY STEAM a good portion of the total benefit. GENERATION PRESSURE GENERATION STEAM ELECTRICITY llRI recognize that the advent of cheaper and faster computers, state-space method and advanced computer control strategies has enabled us to implement mu1ti10op control PURCHASED $ UTILITY more simply and inexpensively as compared COMPANY to the 60's. However, it is getting difficult to recruit trained people who can work and provide adequate maintenance on the mu1tiTable variable control systems installed in the plant level. The maintenance aspect of multivariOther areas of interest able control, which is ski1led-1abor intensive, should also be taken into consideration f recovery boilers when dealing with mu1tivariable control. ')( power boilers The point I want to make here is that in our * lime ki1n/ causticizing plant industry, multivariab1e control is looked ')( evaporators at from the return-on-investment point of view. ')( refi ners ')( washers
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CONTRIBUTION by B. LEBEAU (Centre Techniwue de 1 'Industrie des papier, cartons et celluloses, Grenobles, France) If we look at the hea';box control system, it is well-known that we have a multivariable system with the following classical inputs:
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- level - total pressure . As you have seen earlier we have a strong interaction between these two loop s . For example, if we change the fan pump speed, we do not only change the total head but we modify the level. So it is well-known that for the control of these two loops, we can have two following single varia ble control structures. Several people have proposed to decouple these two loops by ~e ans of decoupled compensators designed generally by using transfer function representation. Moreover, if we look on a paper machine, at modifications of the total head, we have disturbances on the basis weight. And in this case, it is necessary to change the stock valve in a coordinating way to keep constant substance flowrate at the slice opening. So, we increase t he dimension of the control and we obtain a 3-inputs /3 -outputs system. And finally, it is also well-known that we have a fourth input for the headbox which is the slice opening. This input also has a very strong interaction with the outputs. So, a good control system of the headbo x must take into account the multivariable nature of this process and for example, we can imagine new multivariable control of the headbox. So question can be the following: 1. What kind of automatic control techniques must we use to solve this proble~? We have seen that for a 2-inputs /2 -outputs system it is possible to use classical single variable techniques but with a 4-inputs/4-outputs sys tem what kind of control must we use? 2. What kind of criterion must we use to the design of the control structure which takes into account industrial objectives? 3. What is the better control design which gives simple implementation on the process for industrial mill people?
It is a well-known fact that systematic methodology for the analysis and synthesis of multivariable control systems is available today . There also exist designing program pac kages, i.e., CAD for multivariable control systems based either on frequency-domain or time-domain methods. So the theory of multivariable control has reached a certain level of maturity. Another fact is that a complicated PRP process, for example, a recovery boiler or paper machine, is a system with many interacting cause-effect relations; thus the dynamic modelling and control of this kind of system is very difficult and basically it should be handled by stochastic and multi variable methods. It is also clear that in order to control this ki nd of processes, several sensors and actuators are necessary, and that singleloop approach can not give the best possible solution. So there exist the theoretical methods and practical needs for multivariable control in PRP industries, but why are these methods not applied to a larger extent? Obviously, there are definitEly benefits and advantages to be gained by application of multivariable and other so-called "modern" control methods in PRP industries; decoupling of interactions for example, in paper machine control systems, mass balance control at recovery boilers, level control of a Kamyr-digester etc., are just a few simple real applicatons of multivariable control in the pulp and paper industry. With multivariable control, the following advantages can be achieved : - better overall performance, i.a. closer control - compensation for interactions of single control loops, strong non-linearities, long time-delays etc. - better control of batch type and sequencing - control of not directly measured variables - control of processes which are very difficult to handle with SISO-control strategy - optimization and coordination in larger meaning - fault detection, cross checking and monitoring .
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The barriers and restrictions for the use of these methods are : -these methods are more sophisticated, more complex and more difficult to learn and use - the direct economic benefits from using them are difficult to show a priori. - shortage of skilled people in industry - updating and maintaining of the system is more difficult - more complex back-up system and difficulties in manual operations - reluctance against new ideas. feel that together with distributed digital control systems, these methods will be increasingly more applied and used; we must start from simple and reliable applications with an evolutionary process towards more sophisticated systems. It is a typical diffusional process of new technology and innovation. CO iHRIBUTIO l'1 by T. TAKAr1ATSU and I. HASHIMOTO (Kyoto University, Dept. of Chemi ca 1 Eng., Japan) In recent years, the rapid increase in raw material and energy costs, especially the enormous increase of energy cost since the oil embargo of 1973, has caused a great change in the philosophy of process system design and forced process designers to utilize energy and other natural resources more efficiently. Intermediate storage tanks are made smaller or eliminated completely to reduce inventory and capital cost. This, however, results in more sophisticated and highly coupleC: process systems. Design margins are also reduced for improving the static design performance, which causes loss of flexibility and operability in the process. In order to minimize the energy consumption, heat integration is throughly performed by connecting heat producing units the heat of which was previously wasted, and heat consuming units which were previously uncoupled. Energy integration can save a lot of energy from the static viewpoint. But from the dynamic viewpoint, it makes the process a highly interconnected multivariable system which loses flexibility, operability and controlability. These lost favorable dynamic atributes have to be recovered by implementing the good quality control. This offers strong impetus for creating new advance in multivariable control techniques. Here, we choose a heat integrated distiTIation column system as an example for further discussion. Distillation is most widely used for the separation of products in refineries or many chemical processes. It is a typical energy consuming process, and it presents as a prime candidate for the improvement in energy efficiency.
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Significant efforts have been devoted to the application of modern multivariable control techniques such as decoupling control, disturbance rejection control, the inverse Nyquist array method, and so forth, to a binary distillation column control, that is to control the compositions of both the top and bottom streams simultaneously. The separation of multi-component mixtures requires a network of distillation columns which includes material inteqration. This system provides a very challenging dynamic problem to which multivariable control theories have to be intensively applied. Let's note the prominent problems in designing the control system of a highly interacted multivariable system. 1. How to build dynamic model with the necessary and sufficient accuracy based on which the control system design can be dealt with: The selection of the model is most crucial in applying any multivariable control technique. The precise physi ca 1 model is genera lly too complex to be used for designing control systems. Simple "black box" models between input and outputs are, therefore, favored, but they often lead to poor control policies. 2.
How to design control systems based on a limited number of measuring points: It is very common in actual chemical processes that only some of the state variables are available for utilization. Even when it is possible to feedback all of the state variables, it is not unusual to utilize only some of them due to various restrictions or for economic reasons.
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Rescrutinization of multivariable control techniques and their extension in order to obtain morP. robust control : Every technique has some advantages and disadvantages. A definitive method which can be applied to any multivariable process control and lead to robust control with high quality, has not been developed yet. By applying multivariable control techniques to more realistic problems, the applicability of each technique has to be rescrutinized and at the same time the extension of the theory has to be done, if necessary.
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5. Trade-off between high-quality control system design and optimal steady-state design : The high energy cost provides a very strong incentive to practice the heat integration which makes the process system more complex and more dynamically interacting. The more complex and interacting the system becomes, the more difficult it is to design the optimal system from both the steady state and dynamic pOints of view . The problem is how to reconcile the steady-state design with the control system design . In other words, a method has to be developed to incorporate the control structure design as part of the steady state design optimization. The research relating this topic has just started and much effort has to be devoted to resolve this problem . As discussed in the above, modern multivariable control techniques seem to offer considerable promise in improving the quality of process control, but it has not yet been widely implemented on industrial scale processes. It is not easy to assess to costs of engineering manpower, control hardware and instrumentations against the potential benefits of modern multivariable control techniques in the industrial field . The control system which can secure the optimal operation of a large complex process system, must have a decentralized structure. The control system of each subsystem would be designed by a multivariable control technique by taking into account their existing strong interactions and using micro- and minicomputers. The coordination between subsystems could be performed by a large computer so as to optimize the overall objective. There have been few applications of hierarchy or decentralized control in real industrial processes. We must endeavour to exploit advances in this direction in order to provide a far better control system for the real complex and large chemical system. DISCUSSION
are very large, it is possible to break them down into smaller multivariable subsystems. This is a very i~portant part when you have very large systems. On the second point about safety and on computer frontiers that is something we met quite a lot in the paper industry. What do you do when a pump fail s ? Perhaps you should consider the control systems as part of the system on the same basis that you could consider the other hardware . If it is down the plant is down. But I would say that probably computers are more reliable than pumps and all the other hardware together. (by Prof. Brandenburg, Technical University Munich, FRGermany) I would like to give short information concerning the electrical drives in continuous plants of PRP-industries . They are coupled by the moving web in such a way that a multivariable system results. Therefore control synthesis must be carried out with the methods of the multivariable theory. However in many practical circumstances simplifications are possible due to fast speed control loops, by which the drives are approximately decoupled. The dynamical behaviour becomes very poor, if ce r tain conditions are not fulfilled by the mechanical system . Then state controllers with observers are favorable. The problem we are working on is to get state controllers which are simple enough to be applied in industrial plants .
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(by Prof. Uronen) I fully agree with those points made by the representative of the chemical industry. These special safety questions may be there even much more critical than in the pulp and paper industry because there are hazardous areas and explosive materials handled in destillation columns, etc. Potentially there are big production losses in pulp and paper industry but in addition of that in systems of petrochemical industries there are other risks. I fully agree that these multivariable systems need computer systems with very good redundancy and back-up systems for difficult and hazardous situations. This is really one of the biggest questions here.
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(by C. Van Rijn, Koninklij ke Shell Laboratorium, the Netherlands) In the petrochemical indus try the scope for multivariable control is clearly visible. In this respect, I like to make two points - the identification of MIMO systems of appreciable dimensions requires considerable effort (MIMO identification) - the aspect of loosing the computer faces the operator with different backup situations . May I have the opinion of the panel on these?
(by Prof. J . Van De Vegte, University of Toronto, Canada) Multivariable control techniques are only now gradually being s i mplified sufficiently that those who have to implement them are willing to consider them. State estimation or Kalman filtering are in general too complex for practical systems. Output feedback and approximate noninteraction provide promise to sufficiently simple control schemes, with dynamic compensation restricted to fi xed low order.
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(by dr. Hem) It is obviously complicated but using advanced technology ought to be unobtrusive and really no one is questioning what goes no inside a television set in order to use it. The same thing could be said for control systems, provided they are ~ade easy to operate for the operators and that is obviously a question of design. The fact that one may use advanced technology to operate the system should not do away with that . As you perhaps suggest we implemented several multivariable control systems including Kalman filters. There is no need to tell the operator that there is a Kalman filter in the loop. He would not know what you talk about, but it is perfectly possible to incorporate advanced technology without having to tell everybody details. ~Q~~~~!
(by Prof. C. Foulard) I would like to give a little comment about this intervention. First I think that what was complicated in the beginning can be very simple after some years, e.g . computers were complicated 20 years ago and a laser e.g. also was complicated and now we have lasers for printing. So this can change. I want also to comment on the quasi-decoupling system, the output feedback, multivariable control, etc. There are answers to all these que s tions now and e.g. the structures which were presented by dr. Lebeau in his paper on headbo x control solve these problems . I think not all the problems, but this one .
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(by dr. Olsen) I just like to make some comments on this question. You design a control system either monovariable or multivariable to suit your specifications. If the specifications are operator acceptance you design the control system to achieve operator acceptance e.g. instead of going directly for DDC-control you use a man in the loop with graphical displays to guide his operation of the plant e . g. If the algorithm within the computer, guiding the operator, is based on multivariable control theory, or if it is based on monovariable control theory, does not affect the operator as long as he designs a system which is guiding him in a way acceptable to him . The same way in cooperation with the management, to get user acceptance of the system you agree on the specifications of the system. Decoupling is one way to go if decoupling is important to you . But you pay for decoupling e.g. by large variations in your control inputs. If you choose decoupling, you might see motors going very often full speed or lower speed . If you like to have few and small variations in your process control variables, then you might call for linear quadratic feedback with heavy weighting of your control variations. These are only different ways of designing control systems. To sum up I would just say that I heavily disagree with some of the very heavy opinions for one or the other method. I think that you should choose the method for the application. ~2~~~~!
(by dr . Lebeau) I just want to make a remark on some of the comments which have been made and particularly this one of somebody, saying when a control scheme stops then the plant stops. That is not acceptable for an industrial operation. The same person said we have not to know what is in a television set . You have not to know it when you have not to support a stop of this television set, but if there is something wrong, then we can accept to have a quarter of the video-screen but we cannot accept to have nothing. I think this remark explains why it is very difficult to implement multivariable control actually. It is because it is not at the state of maturity as you have heard before. It is not clear enough to be understood by people as we have in the mills and it is those people who take back a process when something fails. That is why we refuse it.